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		<title>By: Belinda</title>
		<link>http://workawesome.com/career/office-campaigns-and-crusades/#comment-1798</link>
		<dc:creator>Belinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was an article here a while back about about making yourself indispensable. I think that if you can do that, then saying &#039;no&#039; to ridiculous requests is a lot safer. Since our graphics team has been made redundant (from 3 people to 0), our IT manager has left, and a portion of our commercial/sales team, AND all of our marketing team (the company has gone from about 50 to about 12 people), I&#039;ve taken on elements of all of the above. I am wholly responsible for all graphic design, the website, the partner intranet, and most sales and marketing. My actual job is account management. (In a perfect world this would mean more $$). 

It makes me feel like I am in a much better position if I was to say no to something, than say, the accounts clerk, who&#039;s job could be handled by someone else in the finance team without much trouble. 

I&#039;ve taken on the above listed tasks because I think its a great learning experience, and because I am getting paid to be here whether its sitting on the net reading things like this or learning how to upgrade our server, so I may as well add to my skill set than update my Facebook. That said, picking up dry cleaning or driving to the airport in NO way adds to my skills, so I would feel very comfortable saying no to things like that :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was an article here a while back about about making yourself indispensable. I think that if you can do that, then saying &#8216;no&#8217; to ridiculous requests is a lot safer. Since our graphics team has been made redundant (from 3 people to 0), our IT manager has left, and a portion of our commercial/sales team, AND all of our marketing team (the company has gone from about 50 to about 12 people), I&#8217;ve taken on elements of all of the above. I am wholly responsible for all graphic design, the website, the partner intranet, and most sales and marketing. My actual job is account management. (In a perfect world this would mean more $$). </p>
<p>It makes me feel like I am in a much better position if I was to say no to something, than say, the accounts clerk, who&#8217;s job could be handled by someone else in the finance team without much trouble. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve taken on the above listed tasks because I think its a great learning experience, and because I am getting paid to be here whether its sitting on the net reading things like this or learning how to upgrade our server, so I may as well add to my skill set than update my Facebook. That said, picking up dry cleaning or driving to the airport in NO way adds to my skills, so I would feel very comfortable saying no to things like that <img src='http://workawesome.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Burleson</title>
		<link>http://workawesome.com/career/office-campaigns-and-crusades/#comment-1796</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle Burleson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked at a pretty big dot com in the late 90&#039;s where the VP of Marketing was fresh from Bush Sr&#039;s campaign. He then brought in all of his campaign cronies to from outside to fill the leadership positions. I am not kidding when I say practically every day was like a scene from Mad Men: booze, adultery, harassment. Then the bubble burst and the karma train came choo-chooing along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked at a pretty big dot com in the late 90&#8242;s where the VP of Marketing was fresh from Bush Sr&#8217;s campaign. He then brought in all of his campaign cronies to from outside to fill the leadership positions. I am not kidding when I say practically every day was like a scene from Mad Men: booze, adultery, harassment. Then the bubble burst and the karma train came choo-chooing along.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Schwartz</title>
		<link>http://workawesome.com/career/office-campaigns-and-crusades/#comment-1795</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter what the scenario, companies don&#039;t like hearing that an employee disagrees, or feels that a manager isn&#039;t cutting it.

HR isn&#039;t the the solution. At best, they keep the situation to themselves to &quot;look into it.&quot; At worst, they share info with your boss and that pretty much is the end of road for you, all trust is lost.

In some cases, you may work with multiple bosses. I suggest to spend extra time, or find projects to spend time with the other. Eventually, as you grow your role, or the company grows, you might be able to &quot;update&quot; your role to work with the new boss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter what the scenario, companies don&#8217;t like hearing that an employee disagrees, or feels that a manager isn&#8217;t cutting it.</p>
<p>HR isn&#8217;t the the solution. At best, they keep the situation to themselves to &#8220;look into it.&#8221; At worst, they share info with your boss and that pretty much is the end of road for you, all trust is lost.</p>
<p>In some cases, you may work with multiple bosses. I suggest to spend extra time, or find projects to spend time with the other. Eventually, as you grow your role, or the company grows, you might be able to &#8220;update&#8221; your role to work with the new boss.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Lewis</title>
		<link>http://workawesome.com/career/office-campaigns-and-crusades/#comment-1794</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avery, I may have cheated a little, but the connection is still strong. I think it is important for young professionals to be aware of the breadth of strangeness and badness they may encounter out in the world. 

And besides, these stories are so much more dramatic. How could I not tell them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avery, I may have cheated a little, but the connection is still strong. I think it is important for young professionals to be aware of the breadth of strangeness and badness they may encounter out in the world. </p>
<p>And besides, these stories are so much more dramatic. How could I not tell them?</p>
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		<title>By: Avery</title>
		<link>http://workawesome.com/career/office-campaigns-and-crusades/#comment-1793</link>
		<dc:creator>Avery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would certainly agree that you generally shouldn&#039;t go to HR to handle a problem with a manager. Even if it does anything to fix the problem, your work relationship would be pretty strained afterwards (upper management doesn&#039;t seem to get fired very easily, that&#039;d involve someone above them admitting that they made the mistake of hiring them to begin with).

With the VPs I&#039;ve dealt with, a simple &quot;no&quot; without any whiney excuses has generally worked best for me when setting boundaries. There is the occasional &quot;why not?&quot; but as long as I don&#039;t accuse them of being out of line it&#039;s really not an issue (making a manager defensive isn&#039;t smart). I&#039;m sure this sounds a bit too ideal following after this or the previous article but so long as you don&#039;t make upper management feel blown off or disrespected then your job shouldn&#039;t suffer. That&#039;s not to say that they&#039;ll be happy with hearing &quot;no&quot;.

BTW, you cheated by dramatically changing some of the types of disrespect coming from the employer. This stuff isn&#039;t as simple as picking up the boss&#039;s kids from the airport. If I encountered the things mentioned here I&#039;d probably shut my mouth and go no further than searching for a new job once I got home. You can&#039;t reason with the kind of personalities you mentioned.

The quick story about the consultants was hilarious though (should I feel guilty for laughing?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would certainly agree that you generally shouldn&#8217;t go to HR to handle a problem with a manager. Even if it does anything to fix the problem, your work relationship would be pretty strained afterwards (upper management doesn&#8217;t seem to get fired very easily, that&#8217;d involve someone above them admitting that they made the mistake of hiring them to begin with).</p>
<p>With the VPs I&#8217;ve dealt with, a simple &#8220;no&#8221; without any whiney excuses has generally worked best for me when setting boundaries. There is the occasional &#8220;why not?&#8221; but as long as I don&#8217;t accuse them of being out of line it&#8217;s really not an issue (making a manager defensive isn&#8217;t smart). I&#8217;m sure this sounds a bit too ideal following after this or the previous article but so long as you don&#8217;t make upper management feel blown off or disrespected then your job shouldn&#8217;t suffer. That&#8217;s not to say that they&#8217;ll be happy with hearing &#8220;no&#8221;.</p>
<p>BTW, you cheated by dramatically changing some of the types of disrespect coming from the employer. This stuff isn&#8217;t as simple as picking up the boss&#8217;s kids from the airport. If I encountered the things mentioned here I&#8217;d probably shut my mouth and go no further than searching for a new job once I got home. You can&#8217;t reason with the kind of personalities you mentioned.</p>
<p>The quick story about the consultants was hilarious though (should I feel guilty for laughing?).</p>
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		<title>By: SmashingWebs.com</title>
		<link>http://workawesome.com/career/office-campaigns-and-crusades/#comment-1792</link>
		<dc:creator>SmashingWebs.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clean and Nice description. Really enjoyed. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clean and Nice description. Really enjoyed. <img src='http://workawesome.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ben Overmyer</title>
		<link>http://workawesome.com/career/office-campaigns-and-crusades/#comment-1791</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Overmyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the case of the sexual harassment problem, that&#039;s something that can be sent to a court of law. Such a person should not be allowed to succeed in life with that attitude.

The chivalric thing to do is not to jump ship and leave the junior staff to fend for themselves. It&#039;s to confront the problem and crush it by any means necessary (within the bounds of ethical conduct, of course). Generally speaking, unless it&#039;s a really small company, the company itself shouldn&#039;t be faulted for the evils of certain employees. Even founders should not be above retribution if they dishonor the company name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the case of the sexual harassment problem, that&#8217;s something that can be sent to a court of law. Such a person should not be allowed to succeed in life with that attitude.</p>
<p>The chivalric thing to do is not to jump ship and leave the junior staff to fend for themselves. It&#8217;s to confront the problem and crush it by any means necessary (within the bounds of ethical conduct, of course). Generally speaking, unless it&#8217;s a really small company, the company itself shouldn&#8217;t be faulted for the evils of certain employees. Even founders should not be above retribution if they dishonor the company name.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie Lewis</title>
		<link>http://workawesome.com/career/office-campaigns-and-crusades/#comment-1786</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh. This sounds strangely familiar. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh. This sounds strangely familiar. <img src='http://workawesome.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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